[Talk-ba] [Talk-ba] BiH Ground Survey
Tema 3.1. - 8.4.2019, broj postova: 7
Bok Bosna i Hercegovina!
My name is Jonathon. My OSM username is spuddy93. I represent Kaart. Kaart contributes to the OSM community in several countries. Our focus is to add data that benefits navigation software. We are planning a trip to BiH in a little over a week. We will be doing a ground survey and we will be focusing on adding data that affects routing. We want to communicate with the OSM community in BiH before the trip, during the trip, and after the trip. If you are an active local editor, please contact us. We would like to hear from local editors, so that we can be aware of what makes BiH unique.
Check out our websites:
https://kaartgroup.com/ <https://kaartgroup.com/>
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Kaart <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Kaart>
Thanks!
Jonathon
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Bok Bosna i Hercegovina!
My name is Jonathon. My OSM username is spuddy93. I represent Kaart. Kaart contributes to the OSM community in several countries. Our focus is to add data that benefits navigation software. We are planning a trip to BiH in a little over a week. We will be doing a ground survey and we will be focusing on adding data that affects routing. We want to communicate with the OSM community in BiH before the trip, during the trip, and after the trip. If you are an active local editor, please contact us. We would like to hear from local editors, so that we can be aware of what makes BiH unique.
Check out our websites:
https://kaartgroup.com/ <https://kaartgroup.com/>
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Kaart <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Kaart>
Thanks!
Jonathon
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On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 12:02 AM Jonathon McClung
<jonathon at kaartgroup.com> wrote:
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> If you are an active local editor, please contact us. We would like to hear from local editors, so that we can be aware of what makes BiH unique.
Hello Jonathon,
unfortunately, Bosnia doesn't really have an OSM communtiy in the
sense of mappers' cooperation or coordination of their efforts. There
are very few active mappers to start with and they're not interested
in communication for reasons I'm not sure of myself. Here's a few
worth mentioning, you might want to contact them individually:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ljubop - very active in the
northeast of the country, good quality contributions but doesn't seem
to be focused on anything in particular.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Kulin%20Ban - did a lot of work on
road network, in particular he categorized all the roads in the
Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina (the Muslim/Croat part of the
country).
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Lutalica_1974 - has been quite
active for many years, again, not focused on anything in particular.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/alenmahovic - did a tremendous
amount of work in the early days of OSM in Bosnia, mostly to do with
landuse.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/damirex - not very active lately
but seems to be very knowledgeable when it comes to historical
heritage. However, his edits are quite sloppy and he doesn't like
foreigners touching "his" data.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Janjko - one of the most active
mappers in the Croatian community, maps in Bosnia too from time to
time.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jonwit - an American mapper with
contacts in Bosnia, active around Visoko.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/crv303 - a German mapper with
contacts in Bosnia, active around Prijedor.
Be warned that, with the exception of the last three (who might also
be following this list), communication with the above is difficult or
outright impossible, at least in my experience.
As for any tips for mapping Bosnia, here's a few from me:
- We need as many GPS traces as possible, especially from windy
mountain roads. The terrain is very hilly so there's a lot of
perspective distortion in the aerial imagery. We need traces to be
able to align it properly.
- Information about road surfaces is important as even some of the
high-category roads lack tarmac and are hardly usable in winter.
(Example: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/43.8433/17.9049)
- Many of the roads in the residential neighbourhoods of larger cities
are only wide enough for one car but they aren't one way streets. It
would probably be useful to tag this explicitly (lanes=1+oneway=no) to
give them a penalty in routing algorithms.
- Be careful when tagging speed limits. Local law distinguishes
settlements (marked with traffic signs with settlement name, speed
limit 60), built-up areas within settlements (speed limit 50) and open
road (speed limit 80). These limits aren't indicated explicitly with
traffic signs. Moreover, speed limit signs are only valid until the
next intersection according to the law, however they are often posted
incorrectly, as if they were valid past the intersection as well. This
sometimes makes it difficult to tell what speed limit applies to a
given road section.
- Most towns could use mapping of HGV restrictions (max. weight for
bridges, underpass heights, access restrictions for town centres) to
prevent HGV traffic routing through them.
- Addresses sometimes have "bb" instead of a house number. It's an
abbreviation for "no number" in the local language and it's often the
case in industrial areas on the outskirts of towns where streets
aren't well defined. Incidentally, this is also where a lot of HGV
traffic is headed.
- If you happen to go through Doboj, you could map the electric
vehicle charger there. It's advertised by the roadside and it's one of
the only two or three in the country. It's a shame it isn't in the
map. :)
- Don't worry about landmines. People ask about them all the time but
you won't run into them unless you go far off the beaten track.
I can't think of anything else at the moment. If you have any
questions, just ask.
Have a great time mapping Bosnia!
--
Michal Fabík
Michal,
Thanks for the awesome and in-depth response! This is exactly the kind of thing pertaining to what we do! We will be basing ourselves out of Sarajevo and our itinerary will be subject to change but if we drive through Doboj I will make sure I keep an eye out for the EV charger.
Much appreciated,
Jonathon
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> On Jan 5, 2019, at 11:53 AM, Michal Fabík <michal.fabik at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 12:02 AM Jonathon McClung
> <jonathon at kaartgroup.com> wrote:
>> If you are an active local editor, please contact us. We would like to hear from local editors, so that we can be aware of what makes BiH unique.
>
> Hello Jonathon,
> unfortunately, Bosnia doesn't really have an OSM communtiy in the
> sense of mappers' cooperation or coordination of their efforts. There
> are very few active mappers to start with and they're not interested
> in communication for reasons I'm not sure of myself. Here's a few
> worth mentioning, you might want to contact them individually:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ljubop - very active in the
> northeast of the country, good quality contributions but doesn't seem
> to be focused on anything in particular.
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Kulin%20Ban - did a lot of work on
> road network, in particular he categorized all the roads in the
> Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina (the Muslim/Croat part of the
> country).
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Lutalica_1974 - has been quite
> active for many years, again, not focused on anything in particular.
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/alenmahovic - did a tremendous
> amount of work in the early days of OSM in Bosnia, mostly to do with
> landuse.
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/damirex - not very active lately
> but seems to be very knowledgeable when it comes to historical
> heritage. However, his edits are quite sloppy and he doesn't like
> foreigners touching "his" data.
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Janjko - one of the most active
> mappers in the Croatian community, maps in Bosnia too from time to
> time.
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jonwit - an American mapper with
> contacts in Bosnia, active around Visoko.
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/crv303 - a German mapper with
> contacts in Bosnia, active around Prijedor.
>
> Be warned that, with the exception of the last three (who might also
> be following this list), communication with the above is difficult or
> outright impossible, at least in my experience.
>
> As for any tips for mapping Bosnia, here's a few from me:
> - We need as many GPS traces as possible, especially from windy
> mountain roads. The terrain is very hilly so there's a lot of
> perspective distortion in the aerial imagery. We need traces to be
> able to align it properly.
> - Information about road surfaces is important as even some of the
> high-category roads lack tarmac and are hardly usable in winter.
> (Example: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/43.8433/17.9049)
> - Many of the roads in the residential neighbourhoods of larger cities
> are only wide enough for one car but they aren't one way streets. It
> would probably be useful to tag this explicitly (lanes=1+oneway=no) to
> give them a penalty in routing algorithms.
> - Be careful when tagging speed limits. Local law distinguishes
> settlements (marked with traffic signs with settlement name, speed
> limit 60), built-up areas within settlements (speed limit 50) and open
> road (speed limit 80). These limits aren't indicated explicitly with
> traffic signs. Moreover, speed limit signs are only valid until the
> next intersection according to the law, however they are often posted
> incorrectly, as if they were valid past the intersection as well. This
> sometimes makes it difficult to tell what speed limit applies to a
> given road section.
> - Most towns could use mapping of HGV restrictions (max. weight for
> bridges, underpass heights, access restrictions for town centres) to
> prevent HGV traffic routing through them.
> - Addresses sometimes have "bb" instead of a house number. It's an
> abbreviation for "no number" in the local language and it's often the
> case in industrial areas on the outskirts of towns where streets
> aren't well defined. Incidentally, this is also where a lot of HGV
> traffic is headed.
> - If you happen to go through Doboj, you could map the electric
> vehicle charger there. It's advertised by the roadside and it's one of
> the only two or three in the country. It's a shame it isn't in the
> map. :)
> - Don't worry about landmines. People ask about them all the time but
> you won't run into them unless you go far off the beaten track.
>
> I can't think of anything else at the moment. If you have any
> questions, just ask.
> Have a great time mapping Bosnia!
>
> --
> Michal Fabík
>
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Hi Jonathon,
I just wanted to ask how your trip to Bosnia was. What's the overall
outcome, what do you think about the general state of the country and
its map, have you got a report / article / blog post of some sort? I've
been running into a lot of Kaart changesets lately and I'm pleased to
see that a lot of useful data was added. It would be nice to see a more
complete picture. Also, the Facebook group for the OSM community in
Bosnia was revived recently so maybe a few paragraphs about your
activities could attract some people to mapping.
Cheers,
--
Michal Fabík
Hey guys!
Thanks for the feedback and offer to help.
@Michal: I shared your message with our team and we were really glad to hear that the data we added has been useful! We put a link to all of our resources on the country page of Bosnia and Herzegovina <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina#Kaart_Groundwork>. As far as posting on the Facebook group goes, that sounds like a great idea! However, currently I am doing a lot of work for our team internally, but I will get to it as soon as I can.
@Milorad: Thanks for the offer! Someone else on my team had some questions for you. You should get an email from her soon!
Thanks again!
Jonathon
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Thanks Michal! I appreciate that.
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